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help with ID possible Marbled Minor

PostPosted: Tue 05 Sep 2017 17:48
by MarkRafferty
This moth was trapped in a MV light on 3rd September in Carstairs Lan arks hire. I'm thinking Marbled Minor. If correct how unusual is this.

Is it possible to examine genitalia with a loup. If so any tips.
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Apologies just realised I have posted this in the wrong section.

Re: help with ID possible Marbled Minor

PostPosted: Tue 05 Sep 2017 22:24
by IAC
Mark,
Its not a Black Rustic then? That was my immediate thought when I saw it...however...I dunno...Im merely punting :)

Iain,

Re: help with ID possible Marbled Minor

PostPosted: Tue 05 Sep 2017 22:33
by sbird
That'd be my punt too. What size is it, though?
Sheila

Re: help with ID possible Marbled Minor

PostPosted: Fri 08 Sep 2017 08:53
by MarkRafferty
Thanks for the responses. I agree with your suggestion.

Re: help with ID possible Marbled Minor

PostPosted: Fri 08 Sep 2017 17:57
by sbird
Another tuppence worth?
I reckon that's too small for a Black Rustic. And a better photo.
If the forewing length is about 13-14mm, I'm thinking Common or Lesser Common Rustic, though it is the tail end of their season and this one doesn't look too worn. We last caught Common Rustic agg. on 2nd September... haven't felt motivated to pursue dissection of genitalia to see if we have both species.
Maybe there'll be a better suggestion?

Re: help with ID possible Marbled Minor

PostPosted: Sat 09 Sep 2017 08:48
by DonMatthews
I found myself wondering about Deep-brown Dart or its Northern version, but I'm not familiar with either species.

Re: help with ID possible Marbled Minor

PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep 2017 20:59
by MarkCubitt
Hi

Yes, Northen Deep Brown Dart; rather a small individual if the 15mm estimated wing length is correct. Sheila and I caught a remarkable 13 of them in a quarry in Midlothian on 1st September.

Mark

Re: help with ID possible Marbled Minor

PostPosted: Tue 12 Sep 2017 19:45
by sbird
Now I feel a bit of a numpty! Should have known that...
OK... I was a bit more interested in the differences between the Lesser Treble Bars at the quarry and our Treble Bars at home, and all those Sallows (dark and light forms, Pink-barred and Barred), gorgeous Autumnal, Northern and Black Rustics, and then there were Small Wainscots, the Confused (and that wasn't just me), Neglected Rustic, Haworth's Minor... and later on Butterbur and Brown-spot Pinion... pretty much all new species for me. I guess I wasn't paying enough attention to the dull brown ones... will try and do better next time, Mark!
Sheila :oops:

Re: help with ID possible Marbled Minor

PostPosted: Thu 14 Sep 2017 18:55
by MarkRafferty
Thank you all for taking the time to reply to my post. I very much appreciate your expert advice. Glad to see it stimulated a bit of debate.

I have been trapping with very little success lately going from over 100 plus Large Yellow Underwings and a good variety of other species to virtually none over the last week or so.

Not sure if this is just my local area and time of year.

Re: help with ID possible Marbled Minor

PostPosted: Fri 15 Sep 2017 10:10
by MarkCubitt
Seems we are almost into Winter conditions and autumns moths aren't flying!